This page will be a running record of the changes and upgrades we have made to our Tiffin Allegro Open Road 32SA. They are in roughly reverse order – most recent first. We expect you’ll never want or need to do all of these things, but I expect you will find some of them quite useful. Current update is 12/21
On 4/23 I released my list of 100 updates and additions to our Tiffin Open Road.
These next two items aren’t really Tiffin specific – they could happen with any RV manufacturer. I include them here because they might not be so obvious.
Bathroom Sink Drain
Our bathroom sink always drained slow. I think I knew it wasn’t adjusted right, but I just never got around to working on it. After all, we just mostly brushed our teeth and washed our hands. Well, eventually it got so slow that I just had to do something with it. I reached underneath and unscrewed the lever entry that raises and lowers the stopper. I then pulled the stopper out – which had a huge accumulation of gunk on it. Apparently, as the stopper never raised very far, lots of soap settled out onto the stopper and made the situation worse. In the end, the problem was that the stopper had been installed backward. The tab at the bottom of the stopper is offset and that offset should be toward the front of the sink, away from the stopper actuator. This ensures the most movement of the stopper, thus allowing water to flow out of the sink at a reasonable speed. Just a minor misstep at the factory.
UPDATE: The “chrome” drain ring has started to rust, leaving a nice rust stain in the bottom of the sink. I purchased a new drain with lever/plug and went to install it. Ususally, these go pretty simply. Just remove the old one, clean up any sealing surfaces and install the new one with some plumbers putty where it meets the sink. Thus I did and of course it all leaked. The nut that you screw up from underneath has a big rubber seal that is supposed to seal to the bottom of the sink – which had a nick in it – so more plumbers putty needed to supplement the seal. Also – I had to remove the J-trap to get everything in position – and its connection to the drain pipe leaked too. The original installers had added plumbers putty there too, which I had to clean off and add my own. Never before have I had to go through all that to replace a drain. – Update – the new drain also rusted. I found a drain that used a solid, full chrome cover drain. Hopefully this one will last more than a few months.
Black Tank Flush
A bit more of a confusing and problematic issue. Last year, our black tank flush became plugged. Over the months before, we had done some dry camping. That meant, at times, having to move the RV with a partly full tank to a dump station and not always having a flush hose available. We were going through Red Bay for another reason, so we had them look at it. They chose to just replace the sprayer. It was difficult to get out because the bottom screw was actually below the top of the freshwater tank, but the tech managed to get it out. Looking at the sprayer, I thought – maybe it should be flipped so the flat side is down, making it easier to install/remove. I convinced the tech to do that, which was WRONG! The sprayer has holes at the end and bottom – so now it was spraying the top of the tank AND anything that splashed into the sprayer holes tended to stay. Six months later, it has hard plugged again. I pulled it out, cleaned thoroughly, and re-opened the plugged holes. Then I realized the problem. The sprayer had been installed in the WRONG place. The flat side is intended to line up with the top of the tank. Mine was over 1.25 inches below the tank. While that doesn’t seem to be a lot, the tank is only 7″ tall on this end, so that is a full third down. Our tank had never been more than 2/3 full according to the tank monitors (yes, doesn’t mean a lot), but with the sprayer this low there were certainly times when it was soaking, not just getting some splashes due to moving the RV. When I can find the appropriate materials, I’ll be patching over this hole and moving the sprayer up and over just a bit to the top of the tank. UPDATE: haven’t moved it yet, but I have pulled and cleaned out the holes twice….21
Forgetless flushing
When flushing “they” say to always leave the black tank valve open. That’s so you don’t overfill the tank Many people say its ok to close the valve so long as you only let it run for a couple of minutes; the idea being, it will drain better if its got a few inches of water in it when you open the valve. The problem with this method is interruptions. The neighbor walks over and starts a conversation. Your kid starts to scream bloody murder on the other side of the RV. Bigfoot walks by. Whatever the reason, you forget to turn off the flush or open the valve. Your tank fills up and starts to turn into a round tank in a square hole. Dirty water backs up in or under your toilet and if pressure gets high enough, it starts spilling out on your roof. I’ve seen a black tank (not mine) blow out the bottom of a trailer as well as flooding the inside. So I installed a “dead man valve” on my rig. I have to hold it open to flush. I even put a different quick connect on (no other hose has one that will fit), so if someone else ends up dumping my tanks they are at least “encouraged” to use the valve. In case you think this would never happen, it did happen to us when I had a medical issue, my wife and a son ended up processing the tanks when I was out of commission.
COOLLLDDDD weather propane
Because we were headed to very cold temps and would be stationary for some time, I installed a two-port external propane adapter onto our propane tank. This allows me to either feed propane to an external grill/appliance (one with a regulator) or to feed propane in from an external tank(with appropriate adapter hoses). When we were in northern Wisconsin for a couple of weeks this winter (early 2020), this came in very handy as we would have used up our main propane tank long before it was time to leave. I had two portable tanks, thus could swap them out for refill.
Water Expansion
I noticed a water connection under my bathroom sink weep occasionally. I finally traced the issue to 130+ PSIin the water system after taking a couple of showers. Apparently, cold water filling the heater, then expanding as it heats up with no place to go creates tremendous pressure. I installed an accumulator that provides a place for the expanding water to go as well as allows the water pump to cycle less often. These are inexpensive, can be installed almost anywhere in the water system, and relatively easy to install. Note, I was under a time and parts availability constraint when I installed this – so this installation looks truly ugly. While I was at it, I also installed a separate pressure gauge that lets me see the pressure inside the system, independent of the city hookup pressure regulator. UPDATE: we purchased a fancy, electronically controlled, variable speed pump – that should have been quieter. Its not quieter. It normally runs around 60 psi, but some days, for no reason, it runs up to 80 or so. We can tell because its even noisier than usual. Someone at support at the company tried to tell me not only did the resevoir mess it up but the guage would cause it to not operate correctly. Go figure. Gauge and expansion chamber continue to work.
Communication Radios
We often disconnect a short way before an RV park or boondocking spot, and we sometimes caravan so having a working CB is something we wanted. We even bought the “preinstall” from Tiffin when the RV was ordered. It never worked right. I had discovered the cable was mangled with pliers while installing and the CB end connector was bad. shortening the cable, and reinstalling a good connector only helped a little. Thus, installing the CB became part of the cabinet install. We ended up replacing the entire CB cable and the antenna to get it all to work. We also installed a newer, better CB. Unfortunately, we weren’t happy with the CB when caravanning.
Update: In the end, we installed console GMRS radios and short (6 inch) upgraded antennas, using the 50-ohm coax that had been run for the CB radios. While they are not perfect, they are far quieter (extraneous noise wise) and work over a far greater range than the CBs ever did. When parking in a site or the rare occasion when we need to travel with our Toads unhooked, our spotters use handheld GMRS radios. We also installed a “trucker” GPS antenna to improve XM radio reception.
Sub-basement lights
We installed a set of AC powered strip lights under the RV. They were plain white and so bright it looked “like someone left the basement lights on”. Eventually we replaced these with some RGB led rope lights that allow us to choose colors or color-changing patterns. Not near as bright. The picture to the right is the original lights.
The doghouse
A never-ending story. When Rover was Pulling up a steep hill – the engine noise is a bit more than we’d like. More than some other gas Class A’s we’ve ridden in. So we decided that if we had the chance, we’d add some additional sound deadening under the front cab area. We also found plans for a wooden cabinet to replace the plastic junk Tiffin attaches to the top of the doghouse cover. Not wanting to pull the cover more than once, we planned to pull the cover, add insulation then build and install the new cabinet.
So, with all supplies ready, I started removing the carpet – as the 6 inches of carpet around the doghouse was one and the same as the carpet on the doghouse. If I had had trouble on the road and a mobile mechanic needed to get in there, it would have taken a hour just to get the cover off. First, pull off the dash access port – find the 4 screws that lock the bottom of the dash plastic to the plastic cabinet. Then take apart and remove the plastic cabinet from the doghouse. THEN… either tear up the carpet around the edge (50+ staples) or take a sharp utility knife and cut the floor attached carpet from the doghouse carpet. Finally, there are 6 screws – three in front and three toward the back that hold the doghouse in place. They are buried in the carpet and can be hard to find. I chose to pull the carpet off the floor as it had become quite dirty and generally unsightly. Under the carpet were large gaps as Tiffin didn’t run the tile all the way to the doghouse. We installed cove base over the floor for now. When I get back home to my spare floor tiles, I’ll fill in closer to the doghouse frame and install some smaller trim. We built the cabinet with a drawer and installed metal cupholders with LED lights in them. Then we added some rubber cup inserts. Much nicer looking, way more useful. And the engine seems quieter as well.
Update: The cove base has worked surprisingly well – I have no plans to replace it at this time.
Bathroom Carpet
Debbie doesn’t like cold floors for those midnight trips to the bathroom, so we installed carpet in there. I started with pieces of cardboard I laid down, trimming to size and taping together. I ended up with one “piece” the shape fo the floor. I laid that over a piece of carpet and cut just outside the lines – making sure the door entrance ended up where there was the edge tape sewed on the carpet. I started there, working around, trimming the carpet with a sharp blade. Just to make sure, we added some of that waxy tape to the floor to help hold carpet in place but probably didn’t need it. Every 8 or 12 months, we buy a new carpet square and use the old one as a template. It takes me less than an hour, start to finish.
Gally Vallance
The Tiffin “valance” around the gally window was quite a small hole, plus it took up at least 4 inches of the countertop. We removed the valance (which weighed something like 60 pounds as it was real stone tile) and tossed it. I reversed the window shade to put the shade closer to the glass. Then I built a lightweight wood valance that sloped toward the window at the bottom, saving lots of counter space. Currently, it’s painted white, but a future project will apply some sort of other finish to it.
Terrible Valances
RV manufacturers as a class, all go overboard with the wood trim and glitz. We desperately needed some color in the main room. The valences that extend way down also tend to get in the way. We pulled them down, removed the lower extensions, and re-covered the valences with a nice sky/cloud print material. I purchased a set of color-changing LED strip lights (Menards?). We bought some ¾ wide quarter-round PVC trim that turned out to be an exact match for the living space cabinets. We command-strip-velcro’d that to the bottom of the cabinets and added the LED strip to the back of that. Now the valence print looks completely different depending on what color the strip is set to.
Knobs, who needs these knobs?
We really didn’t like the doorknobs and drawer handles that came with the rig. The ends stuck out and would catch on clothes. Eventually, we found a set Deb liked and two Home Depots later, we had enough to replace every bit of hardware in the RV. I’m still trying to sell off the old set on eBay. The original knobs were T shaped and constantly caught on things and would constantly come loose. I did install the new ones with lock washers.
Kitchen Fan
The MaxFan that came in the RV kitchen area could be opened and turned on from the Spyder control panel in the kitchen. But other functions such as fan speed, thermostat, etc could only be controlled by getting on a stool and pushing buttons on the fan itself. We replaced the fan with a remote-controlled unit. We only hooked up the “Fan” wire from the Spyder system, that we leave on, and control all functions with the remote control. I wish I knew if there was a way to reprogram Spyder functions.
Cooler AC
We read that white Air Conditioner covers run much cooler than the black ones installed by the factory. I don’t have specific numbers for the difference, but in order to get the most from our units, we ordered white covers. While we were swapping them out, we checked and sealed any air leaks in the “cold side” and added an extra layer of insulation on the main cold box using Reflectix and aluminum tape. We also insulated the cold refrigerant line that runs from the evaporator to the compressor. They do seem to be more effective on a sunny day. Later, we added soft start modules to both ACs, hopefully allowing them to run on lower current circuits.
Medicine cabinet shelves
The medicine cabinet is quite tall and has but one shelf (plus the bottom). We sometimes travel with three people. I pulled the cabinet off the wall, moved the one shelf (parts from the kitchen cabinet), and added another. Now we have three shelves and can utilize the space much better.
There is a small storage cabinet above the toilet. It had no dividing shelves. I added a shelf in the middle to make the storage of towels and wash clothes more efficiently.
Mirror, Mirror on the wall….
The bathroom had a mirror on the medicine cabinet door and one on the right wall. I presume the thinking was to provide two angles for the wife. But both mirrors were close to the corner and just plain inconvenient. We tore the mirror from the right wall and placed it between the medicine cabinet and the window. The mirror was GLUED and STAPLED to the wall – so a nice picture was placed to cover the mess left by removing the mirror.
Really, no towel rack?
There was no towel rack in the kitchen. Nor was there any place on the cabinets to easily hang a couple of towels. We are currently trying the refrigerator door. Yes, the door and no we didn’t drill holes. I attached the mounting plates with VHB tape, then attached the rack to the plates. So far it is holding. Update: I found some magnets at the hardware store designed to hang hooks from metal racks. I tapped the hole in the steel magnet cover, then epoxied a bolt into the base. Once hard, I added a nut and threaded the magnet on till it was just flush with the base. Works great.
Shower power
We added a soap tray via waterproof command strips, and across the shower, up high, we added several command strip washcloth hooks. We replaced the original showerhead with a better one and a valve that shuts off completely. We also replaced the stiff hose with a flexible one and removed the hose from the ring that limited its movement. Part 2: putting the soap holder right below the shampoo shelf turned out to be an open invitation to knock the soap or entire tray on the floor.
UPDATE: We moved it over between the door and the rail the shower sprayer was mounted on – haven’t knocked either down since.
Paper Towels are a must in the kitchen
Even big expensive RVs don’t seem to come with paper towel racks. We used the same one we had in our last RV – it has just enough resistance to allow one to easily tear-off sheets and we installed it under the kitchen cabinets behind the sink.
Better Cooking Light
The microwave came with a built-in light over the kitchen work space. It came with a puny incandecent bulb. Being almost useless, we found an LED bulb that was brighter, but even that wasn’t good enough. We found a flat LED light that we velcro’d under the microwave which provides really nice light.
Who’s there?
We installed a Ring doorbell outside and a Ring Camera inside. Both connect to our protected WiFi which connects to our hotspot. I installed a 24V transformer so the ring stays charged. This lets us keep an eye on the doggies when we are away and keep an eye on our site as well. The Ring is set to detect motion and save vids to the ring server and notify us when we have the Away setting turned on.
Everyone needs Internet
Since we planned to boondock a lot and since most campground WiFI networks are poor and/or overloaded, we wanted better Cell/Internet connectivity. We purchased an AT&T hotspot as a part of our family cell plan and a WeBoost cell booster. For the outside antenna, I purchased some PVC pipe connectors, screw clamps, and an extensible painter’s pole. I have two sets of PVC connector mounts – one down low for travel and one up high for maximum vertical reach. Update: When we first installed this, I used what cable I could get quickly – 75-ohm coax designed to cable nets. The booster really wants a 50-ohm low loss cable, which I have purchased and installed. I also got a directional antenna to try to provide a bit more boost in some situations. When there are nearby cell towers, the directional antenna seems to make little difference as the tower decides what power everyone should talk so the additional gain seems to get quickly offset. I presume it would make more difference if we were miles from a single tower.
UPDATE: Since we were going to be out and about again this summer, hopefully boondocking, we chose to add a second cell vendor. To facilitate this process, we bought a PEPWAVE Max Transit Duo router capable of using two cell vendors at the same time. We added an exterior (roof mount) antenna to provide better access.
Our second vendor choice was a bit limited, we picked up a T-Mobile BYOD sim from Nomad Internet. Throughout the six months we had it we managed to get about 2 months or working service. After the fourth sim stopped working correctly, I insisted on a refund (we had to pay 12 mo in advance). I received a partial refund which I reluctantly accepted and moved on. I then ordered an FMCA router, also T-Mobile which seems to be working fine. It’s not quite as fast as the ATT tower at our current location but it lets me use both providers through my PEPWAVE.
Couch Mods
The provided sleeper/couch is, in theory, quality construction. But the vinyl upholstery was too slippery for our little dogs. We purchased a coarse cloth and made covers for the cushions. BUT the seats were also rock hard. Ten minutes into sitting in them and they were terribly uncomfortable. Pressed for time (leaving for warmer climes), we purchased some foam locally and refilled the cushions. Now they are just a little soft. Update: We still had the original foam, which I split down the middle and added the soft foam on top of the half-thickness hard foam. Now the cushions seat much better. On one of our trips, we were going to be having a guest – sleeping on the fold-out sleeper built into the couch. It uses an air mattress to save space and weight. But the thought of blowing up an air mattress and letting it out every day seemed like a hassle. It is a fairly thin air mattress and getting the air pressure “just right” is key to a good night’s sleep. We opted to give away the mattress and buy a good quality foam mattress that would still fold up – and that worked well.
Power, more Power, Solar Power
We decided early, that between the residential fridge, all the accessories that used AC power, plus computers, that the factory provided batteries weren’t going to be sufficient. They required long charging cycles with the generator. While we were out at Quartzite – Battle Born had a tent sale – and we picked up four 100 Amp-hour lithiums. They make a big difference. Once we got back home, we added 800 watts of solar, with a system designed for 1600 watts. 800 still doesn’t quite keep up with our needs, but it reduces generator time, so long as we aren’t shaded. At the same time, we weren’t happy with the 2000 watt inverter. We had to be careful what appliances we ran at the same time – we overloaded it a couple of times and had to perform a manual reset. Since we had also installed a Victron Battery monitor, and a Victron solar controller – we added a Victron Color Control Console and a 3000 watt Victron inverter. So all our battery systems could be watched under a single monitor and via the Color Control Console or an app on our phones, even remotely. More on the solar etc install can be found here: Solar Installs
UPDATE: I have designed a “replacement” for the Tiffin/Lippert DC distribution panel. It is all based on discrete components and thus takes up a lot more room. It is amazing just how much stuff, tiff stuffed into that tiny panel – and not amazing why parts of the original panel failed so often. I have come accross other tiffin 32SA owners that have had the inverter switch fail and one whose panel caught fire (he was outside and managed to put it out before the fire spread). I have one addition to this configuration that is coming. When we started out with the lithiums – I never saw the batteries charging from the engine more than 90 amps. I believe this is because the lithiums were never mostly discharged. We often used the generator when boondocking rather than the engine to charge. One night we spent parked behind a restuarant. We hit the road in the morning, still dark out after running the batteries down to about 40%. I looked at the charging rate and it was 120 amps. Plus headlights and anything else – thus pushing the generator on the engine to its limit. I’m about to install a DC to DC converter. This will limit the engine to house batteries to about 40 amps, which is fine because we rarely need to charge up the house batteries quickly with the RV engine. It should keep me from pushing the engine alternator so hard.
Hindsight
The Tiffin provided rearview camera looks straight down the back of the RV. This might be great for backing up, but provides no view down the road behind. There are side-view mirrors of course, and turn cameras as well. But 50 plus feet back, it becomes hard to gauge distance in the mirrors and harder in the turn video, especially at night. We purchased a set – monitor and 4 cameras. I ran three cables to the rear of the RV and mounted one camera at the top rear to look back into traffic. It is fed to the new monitor and provides a full-time rear view. We are discussing having two side cameras that watch the rear tires (like many of the diesels have) and possibly putting the fourth camera on the rear air conditioner – looking forward to watching for branches and such in campsites. Update: During one of the CB/GMRS/XM radio work sessions, I added a video cable going up to the front air conditioner. Now we have a forward-looking view with the camera mounted right at our maximum height. We did use this a couple of times to check clearance at a gas station and a decorative sign in a small town.
Dash electronics need a base
Rover’s dash had a plastic access panel in the top middle of the dash. It was flimsy and had a texture that would make it difficult to attach devices. I removed the cover and used it as a template for a nice piece of 3/8ths plywood. Stained and with four screw holes and it provides a good platform to mount the dashcam, TPMS, GPS, and monitors. In addition to the camera and GPS, we have a rearview camera and our combined Brake/TPMS/Level monitor.
We have dashcams in all our vehicles. Rover wasn’t to be an exception. I created a camera mount on the side of the TV box and ran power. Later we decided to move it to the center of the dash. I couldn’t find Ignition power up by the TV box – so we had to manually turn it on and off. I think the dash mount provides a better view and access to Ignition power.
Paltry Pantry
Next to the microwave, was a small pantry with a pull out drawer with two side accessible shelves. It was all made with 3/4 lumber, making it space inefficient and heavy. Worse, it had three slides to support it – nice they tried to support it well, but since the slides were just as misaligned as the rest of the drawer slides in the RV, it was very stiff to pull out. I tried several times to realign them. Finally, frustrated, we realized just how inefficient space utilization was. Only 40% of the cabinet space was available on the slide-out drawer. I pulled the slide-out and disassembled it. I installed a single shelf, then used the slide front as a cabinet door. We still don’t use all the space, but it’s nice to know it all is actually usable if we wanted to.
Screen doors need love too
We found it tremendously useful to have an additional handle on the inside of the screen door on all our RVs. It was one of the first things we added.
Screen door inside/outside handle: when the main door is latched open and only the screen door is closed – the latch is OUTSIDE the door. One has to slide a panel open to open the door from the inside. We found a little lever that allows one to open the screen latch from the inside without sliding the panel. It’s not entirely natural, but it is easier to use. This one cost $5. Why would Tiffin cheap out on such a small but terribly useful addition.
End Tables
Our main couch was mounted several inches from the rear slide wall. It was wasted space and there was no place to put a cup, poor Alexa or anything else. The empty space wasn’t enirely square so I measured carefully, cut a nice piece of oak – added three legs, stain and filled in the space. I cut the shelf board so it would be a snug fit all by itself. The three legs were just thin trim strips of oak, held in place by 90 degree brackets. Mostly, they just support any weight on the shelf. We still store the sink covers a stool, etc below.
We also made a fold-down table for the forward end of the couch. There are two aluminum flats that slip in between the couch and the back of the dinet seat. The flats are screwed to a piece of oak, to which is screwed a hinge and the top on the other side of the hinge. If we want to use the fold out bed, the shelf can be pulled up a bit, then folded up out of the way. Its hardly perfect, but it does work. UPDATE: this arrangement would never stay level. I pulled out the hinge and installed a right angle bracket. The shelf is sturdy, stays level and doesn’t really need to flip up as we don’t use the fold out bed. If we did, the shelf could be flipped around and hang over the dinette seat.
Organizers and accessories
TV remote holders – Debbie found a couple of leather “holsters” that we command-strip-velcroed to the wall.
12V port by bed – We planned to boondock a lot and I wanted to use my CPAP with a 12V adapter instead of 115V AC. Its more efficient to convert 12 to 24 than convert 12DC to 115 AC and back to 24DC. Twelve volts was already present in that cabinet for the USB port so it was just a matter to drilling a hole and paralleling the new port.
Dumping and Filling
Yet another “old man comfort” item was a foldable stool I keep in the water bay. Being under a slide, and having to access controls that are quite low – being able to sit down is amazingly useful. Besides, with the kinds of things that happen out there, you really don’t want to be kneeling in the dirt next to dump hoses. Speaking of which, I also keep a spray disinfectant to hit my shoe bottoms with just before I return to the RV.
Knees need love too
Nearly half the storage doors are under slides. All of them can end up on gravel, wet grass, sand – you name it. I saw these carpet squares (waterproof backs) at the Quartzite tent and bought a hand full; cut them in half and put one in each storage bay. Thus I can kneel on them, keeping my knees clean and the rocks off my arthritic knees.
Phone Holders
One of the first things we did to Rover was to add a couple of phone holders on each side for the driver and passenger. While neither of us is using our phones all the time on the road, it is a convenient place to keep them. I added a 12V socket for phone charging on the driver side. Adding charging ports on passenger side is on our todo list.
Black shades are Bland!
We have swapped out the black shades on several of our windows for printed shades (using a secret proprietary process). The long galley shade, the slide out end shades and the bathroom window shade are all printed with pictures we have taken. The shade by the dinette contains a US map for reference. We still plan on replacing the shade behind the couch.
DISH Traveller
Our RV came with a Wally Dish Receiver but no antenna. We purchased a Dish Traveller antenna and bracket and mounted it on the roof. With the bracket however, we could quickly disconnect it and use a cable to connect to the RV via a port in the water bay and place the dish antenna somewhere on the ground where it can get a view to the southwest or southeast. So far, we’ve not had to move the dish receiver. We did replace the Wally at one point as the original one was getting quite flakey.
Weather Station
We purchased a weather station (temp, wind, rain) and installed it on the pole we used to use for the cellular repeater. It shows us wind speed and direction as well as temperature, humidity and precipitation. Its connected back to a server so we can monitor conditions when away from the RV. I have to take it on faith that the rain gauge works – we’ve been here for two months and have no had enough rain to trip the rain gauge.
Hitch Doubler
We originally carried our bikes on the back of the pickup truck. That not only made our overall rig
longer, but we didn’t always want them on the back of the truck. So I picked up this hitch doubler – a 10k pound capable version. I also picked up the “u-bolts” to help keep the play out of the system. The bike rack itself has some play in it that I need to figure out how to remove so the bikes don’t rock back and forth. We much prefer the bikes not being on the back of the truck all the time.
Spice and Oil Rack
This is the spice rack I built for the kitchen. Its on the right wall of the countertop (next to refrigerator). There is a similar rack in the bedroom for essential oils.
Kayak Rack on Bluebird
We carry our two person kayak on the top of our pickup truck – with custom built slides. We unstrap from the racks and slide backwards over the bed and down to the ground.
This is a great list. I don’t know if I am quite as adventurous as you with the solar but many of these mods are going on my list. One question, how/where did you run the wires for the cameras. I really want a good usable rear camera.
We purchased a monitor and 4-pack of cameras: 2 side mount and 2 rear view type. I purchased four long extension cables. Our plan was to mount one rear view and two side cams watching the rear wheels. I bundled three cables inside split tubing to run to the back. Getting through the firewall was a bit of pain because they foam like crazy in the engine compartment. Then down the frame with tie-wraps. I drilled the hole in the rear cap and ran a wire fish down to grab the cable to pull up. The rear closet takes up most of the space in the rear cap; center – high so you have to aim over to one side and down. You could just drill over to one side and seal the cable down outside. I’ve yet to mount the side cameras and we are planning to put the fourth camera on the front AC cover, looking forward as a way to watch roof clearances. Running that cable will be fun, but we had to replace the CB cable, so I know where that goes. That will be added to this page soon.
I was wondering what year your 32sa is? We are looking at a 2017 32sa with 30k miles on it. Our other option is a used 2019 Winnebago Vista 32ye. I’ve noticed other comments about the fit and finish of the Tiffin coaches and has be hesitant to go with a Tiffin. As background, we’re attempting to get a newer unit that our trusty 2007 Winnebago Adventurer 33v, which has simply become too costly to keep repairing.
The Winnebago’s don’t seem to have the fit and finish issues that the Tiffin’s have, but owners seem to complain about the “fit and finish”, but then go on to say they still love their Tiffin’s, so it seems like mixed messaging. Is it worth dealing with the fit and finish issues for “nicer” furnishings? There are obvious differences. The Tiffin has the heavier chassis, nicer interior touches and in general just seems nicer. But this lack of attention to detail has me second guessing which one to choose.
We love our 32SA. It is a 2019. We picked it up Dec 2018. We are part time, but due to events, we’ve been in our MH at least 12 of the last 16 months. I clearly am pickier than most. I get frustrated with little things that could have been done better. We’d buy another Tiffin in a minute, though we don’t plan to ever buy another RV. We did get the heavier chassis they offer for this model; I didn’t want to worry about weights. I can’t compare directly with Winnebago quality. I expect if you buy used some issues would be solved. I recommend having it inspected. Good luck!
Alex, I agree with Mike’s comment about loving our 2019 32SA. We’ve had some minor issues with fit and finish, but had great experiences with Tiffin techs at Red Bay and at an owner’s rally. At our first visit to Red Bay they fixed 29 of the 16 issues we identified…the techs found and tackled the rest. Much as we love our 32SA, we have listed it for sale so we can upgrade to a Phaeton. If it doesn’t sell, I’m still happy with what we have. I’d definitely recommend getting the upsized 24k chassis. On a 3 month journey we had it weighed and came in 1000# under GVWR (pretty well loaded, with a *full* water tank). The 22k chassis would probably have been near max especially if loaded up with options. Cargo carrying capacity seems to be a limiting factor that is often overlooked for many motorhomes (all brands, especially entry level).
I heartily agree on the 24k chassis!!
We ended up getting the 2017 Tiffin back in April roughly and we too about 5 trips so far in it. I definitely feel we made an excellent choice and the more we look into it, the more we find the previous owners took care of it well.
I had asked the dealer if it had sumo springs and he said no very definitively (we bought it out of a dealer in Michigan but live in Annapolis). Come to find out, it has sumo springs on the front and rear. Without getting under it or having the jacks down to create some separation in the wheel well, I can see how a quick glance wouldn’t reveal them but it has it.
I’m still not sure of it has the 22k or 24k chassis, but I’m guessing if the previous owner paid the money for sumo springs and residential fridge, they may have ponied up for the heavier chassis. But I’m purely guessing.
I also did the chf which tightened the steering up a bit. I decided against adding the beefy rear sway bar/link due to my mechanic saying it already had a beefy rear end in it and we don’t seem to get much tail wag.
Other than what might be a leak from the hwh under certain conditions which isn’t a big leak, we haven’t had any big issues a screw driver couldn’t fix. The hwh drain plug is a bit of a pain to get a wrench or socket on to open the drain valve, but that’s minor also.
We also had the rear closet door pop the insert on the hinge out of the door portion. Seems like a pain to fix but either a screw driver to tighten the plug type screws or some wood filler and a regular hinge will fix it.
But these are all very minor in my opinion. Nothing out of the ordinary. We’re loving the additional storage over our 2007 Adventurer. Still plenty of room in the underneath storage.
It drives quite nice imo as well. Likes to cruise about 65. 70 seems to agitate it, or maybe it just bothers me. LoL. It tows our dinghy well with no issues.
All in all, even with 32000 miles on a 3 year old coach, I’d definitely do it over again. I was kind of glad it was driven that much cause it means the prior owner spent time in it vs sitting idle.
Don’t know if it’s true but the dealer said they traded it in on a Phaeton. Not sure of that’s true, but with that kind of mileage, it would make sense of they went to a diesel.
I appreciate your input from a few months ago. It was really helpful in our decision. Thank you
Thanks for the reply. We bought the 2007 Adventurer used (about 4 years old) and it had general rv problems like they all do. Nothing ever too crazy though until recently. The Adventurer was nicely appointed and was an upper trim for the Winnebago Brand and still is. Not the top levels, but higher than the Vista’s and newer Integra’s. But the 32sa seems to have the same level of nice features vs us going into a Vista. I found it odd that the outside water station is under a slide. I noticed that as one of your points. I like having it not under a slide and wonder if that’s more of a nuisance than I’d like, but also maybe just something I’d get used to dealing with.
Either way, thank you for your detailed review and response.
A link to all your improvements on the 32sa.
Just bought a lightly used 2019 34pa and found your mods quite applicable to my model as well! Thanks!!
list of hardware would be nice; also where to get upgrade to electrical. – love our 2019 32sa
If you are talking Solar electrical upgrades: This has the most detail on our install: https://www.tomorrowsjourney.com/solar-installs/
mike
Hi Michael,
We are new to RV ing… Just picked up a 2018 32SA. Your blog and site are the first we’ve read specific to the 32SA.
Quick question on your 400AMP melted fuse issue (you posted below) and the conflict of fuse size issue you noted in your posting…. I am also installing an inline fuse set up. What size fuse did you go with? What style fuse mount did you use?
Thanks!
Bill
“So, why was this fuse getting so hot? It had to be it wasn’t fastened tight in the first place, or there was a resistive connection. The inverter switch was rated 300 amps (500 intermittent) – but the fuse is rated 400. Why? The Magnum Inverter manual specs 250 amp fuse. Why use a fuse style no one carries? (except perhaps the nearest Tiffin dealer 200+ miles away. Why use a fuse style that doesn’t have a rigid contact method? Am I the only one that has had this failure? The holder for this fuse is part of the panel that mounts behind the inverter and battery switches. It is ruined: the entire panel will have to be replaced. I installed an inline fuse with 2/0 cables to replace it because the fuse holder insulation was literally toast.”
I used a 400 amp, inline fuse and holder (fuse held in holder with bolts/nuts) I got from West Marine. I don’t remember brand or model.
Hi. Would you mind explaining more about the side table. Maybe a picture of the legs. We store a folding table and tray there now, but would love just a small shelf to put a glass on. Thanks so much
Hi, will post more pictures into that article today!
tnx
mike
Great write up! We have a 2016 32 SA. We’ve run into some of the same exact things in our rig that you have in yours. Broken latches, mismatched drawers, main entry door that didn’t seal properly, dash that comes loose, etc. I’m somewhat handy as I enjoy taking things apart to understand them. Most of this stuff I just fixed myself though we did bring it to Red Bay for a recall on the hitch. Also, just finished up solar install, done completely diy. The solar prewire from Tiffin is 10 gauge (suitable for 30 amps which is all that mc4 connectors are rated for anyway) which is more than enough to run your 800 watts wired in series parallel as this would only be 10 amps. I have 900 watts running 15 amps on the Tiffin solar prewire without issue.
This is the chart I go by. https://www.bluesea.com/resources/1437 10 gauge for 30 amps puts you into over 10% voltage loss. Remember, the distance is TWICE, so from solar to front storage to battery is at least 80 feet round trip, probably more. That puts you into 6ga for 10% loss. For me, I’d rather not go through the work and expense, then skimp on wire and not get all the available power. And that front area gets quite warm in the sun. Do you have a solar controller in that little compartment above the driver? Doesn’t it get quite hot?
Besides my long term plan is to run 1600 watts which makes it all worse.
Wow, that is quite a distance. My solar prewire was about 10 feet from the front cabinet and then the cabinet down to the bay by the stairs was maybe 20 feet. I moved my batteries from under the stairs to the adjacent bay. I put my solar controller in that bay as well-right next to the batteries. In the compartment over the driver, I just connected the wires together. There is no way any decent sized controller would stay cool up there. I have the 150/85 which stays plenty cool in the bay it is in.
Well, truth be told, I don’t know how my solar is run back to the batteries. My batteries are in the rear-most, right storage compartment. I just decided early on that I wanted the controller in back, near the batteries. I didn’t want to use the front cabinet, so I settled doing all new cable.